Did you read my comment? I didn't say I orgasmed through penetrative sex. I said that the pleasure of penetrative sex is more enjoyable to me than clitoral orgasms, even if I don't orgasm, despite the fact I enjoy clitoral orgasms a LOT and give myself some every day.

There is way more pleasure in sex than the brief climax at the end. The climax I can give myself WHENEVER I WANT. The longer and more full bodied experience? That requires a partner. Who doesn't have to be male.

Also as someone who is becoming an egg donor, my egg retrieval operation is on Monday and I'm being given analgesic for it, and the procedure is a needle through the back of the vagina so... Guess there are nerve endings there after all.

Also, when you have penetrative sex, it's not just the vagina that gets stimulated. The whole pelvic floor gets moved by the momentum of the thrust. Which stimulates the uterus, and can cause pleasurable contractions similar to those caused by orgasm but different. That's the case for me.

And since I know you're a misandrist, penetrative sex doesn't have to be by a man! MILLIONS of lesbians enjoy sex with strap ons and dildos (and fingering!!!), not because they secretly want to fuck men, but because if done the right way, penetrative sex IS pleasurable. And lots of women enjoy it.

No "patriarchal placebo" required.

Ironic that someone who claims to love women is so condescending and dismissive of women's experiences.